Joan's as good as my lady in the dark

English Etymology From or alongside the use of en Joan as a sexually available member of the lower classes found in related expressions such as He is our Ladies Chaplaine, but serves IoneAnthony Munday & al., The Death of Robert, Earle of Huntington, 1601. and Joan's as good as this French lady.Thomas Heywood, If You Know Not Me, You Know Nobody If You Knouu Not Me, You Know No Bodie, 1606. Ultimately a calque of en la - and en grc - expressions such as grc πᾶσα - grc γυνή γυνὲ - grc τοῦ - grc λύχνου - grc ἀρθέντος - grc ἡ - grc αὐτή - grc ἐστι - (pâsa gunè toû lúkhnou arthéntos hē autḗ esti) and la sublata la enim la lucerna la quaevis la mulier la cuiusvis la est la similis all women are the same when the lamp is removed, which Plutarch considered only accurate as an excuse to escape lecherous and adulterous menPlutarch, Moralia, Vol. II, §12.46. but which Erasmus considered a description of how all women would indulge themselves so long as witnesses and punishment could be avoided.Erasmus, Adagia, III. 4. 77. Pronunciation en LL-Q1860 (eng)-Flame, not lame-Joan's as good as my lady in the dark.wav US Proverb proverb Joan's as good as my lady in the dark en potentially _ vulgar _ & _ offensive archaic en all cats are grey in the dark: Sex is enjoyable regardless of the status, physical attractiveness, or social status of one's partner. 1611, John Davies of Hereford John Davies, "Vpon Englishe Prouerbs", Scourge of Folly, §386: ‘Ioan in the darke is as good as my lady:’Nay, perhapps better, such ladies there may bee. II XXXIII Here is as good bread made as in France; and in the night Joan is as good as my lady; and unhappy is that man that is to break his fast at two of the clock in the afternoon and there’s no heart a handful bigger than another; and the stomach is filled with the coarsest victuals; and the little fowls in the air have God for their provider and cater; and four yards of coarse Cuenca cloth keep a man as warm as four of fine Lemster wool of Segovia; and when we once leave this world, and are put into the earth, the prince goes in as narrow a path as the journeyman; and the pope’s body takes up no more room than a sexton’s, though the one be higher than the other; for when we come to the pit all are even, or made so in spite of their teeth and—and good night. en 1623 James Mabbe The Rogue 262 ...in the darke, all Cats are blacke, and Jone is as faire as my Lady... No Difference i'th'Dark 329 Night makes no difference 'tvvixt the Prieſt and Clark; / Jone as my Lady is as good i'en the th'dark. 22 Sir Sim[on Addlepot]. Faith and troth I do not railly, I deal freely. / Flip [Lady Flippant]. This is the time and place for freedom, Sir. / Sir Sim. Are you handſom? / Flip. Jone’s as good as my Lady in the dark certainly; but men that deal freely, never ask queſtions certainly. en 1931 Arthur Melville Clark Thomas Heywood https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.5428/page/n19/mode/2up 12 ...when Henslowe notes Heywood's next play he has a little more respect for him; for, although the total was again but five pounds, three pounds on February 10, 1598/9 and the rest two days later, the dramatist on both occasions is Mr. Heywood. The only surviving fragment of the piece, ‘Jonne as good as my ladey’, may be a song in Γυναικεῖον with the burden 'What care I how faire she bee... en 1995 Anthony Fletcher Gender, Sex, and Subordination in England 1500–1800 18 The current proverb ‘In the dark Joan is as good as my lady’ carried no moral overtones; it merely reflected upon male anxieties that social superiority might bring some kind of special benefits in terms of the quality of sexual pleasure. A countryman, so the story went, who had given a large sum to have sex with a lady was overheard on his way home from behind a hedge moaning about his wasted money with the line that his Joan at home was as good as the lady had turned out. en 2014 Antonia Senior Treason’s Daughter https://www.google.com/books/edition/Treason_s_Daughter/HtRhAwAAQBAJ?pg=PT169 169 A wife. But what wife and when? Pretty, yes, but godly and modest. He remembers something Taffy said once: ‘A homely Joan is as good as a lady when the lights are out.’ Aye, Taf, he thinks, but best to marry one whose face you can worship. An image of Lucy Tompkins pops unbidden into his mind. References Further reading Alastair Fowler, Literary Names, 2012, p. 157. "Joan is as good as my lady in the dark", George Latimer Apperson, Dictionary of Proverbs, 1993. "J34 Joan is as good as my lady in the dark", Bartlett Jere Whiting, Early American Proverbs and Proverbial Phrases, 1977. en terms calqued from Latin terms calqued from Ancient Greek en eponyms aphorisms en Sex